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Old 05-11-2017, 07:46 PM   #1
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Global Warming Doubts

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic..._surprise.html

The credentials of the author:
S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus at the University of Virginia and a founding director of the Science & Environmental Policy Project; in 2014, after 25 years, he stepped down as president of SEPP. His specialty is atmospheric and space physics. An expert in remote sensing and satellites, he served as the founding director of the US Weather Satellite Service and, more recently, as vice chair of the US National Advisory Committee on Oceans & Atmosphere. He is an elected Fellow of several scientific societies and a Senior Fellow of the Heartland Institute and the Independent Institute. He co-authored the NY Times best-seller Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 years. In 2007, he founded and has chaired the NIPCC
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Old 05-11-2017, 11:34 PM   #2
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Interesting dialague follows.

Person A. "I've always wondered how long it would take for the "scientists" to begin hitting on the FACT that coffee, partly during roasting then for several days afterward, offgasses carbon dioxide in signficant quantities."


Person B. ...and I've always wondered if there are actually people so stupid they cannot figure out why an employee of a company might not be telling the truth about the dangerous nature of that company's product...

"Fred Singer has... been receiving $5,000 a month from the Heartland Institute."
www.desmogblog.com/s-fred-s...

"Heartland received $736,500 from Exxon Mobil between 1998 and 2006... While Heartland once disclosed its major supporters, it now refuses to publicly disclose who its corporate and foundation funders are."
www.sourcewatch.org/index.p...


Person A. How much do Michael Mann and his friends receive from governments each year? What fraction of their income is the government largesse? How much would these same governments give them if they said CO2 was not a concern?


Person B. Dr. Mann didn't discover that CO₂ warms the planet.

That was discovered by someone named Eunice Foote over a century ago.

Do you have any evidence she was being bribed by "governments" to come to a false conclusion, Neddie?

"Overlooked by modern researchers is the work of Eunice Foote, who, three years prior to the start of Tyndall's laboratory research, conducted similar experiments on absorption of radiant energy by atmospheric gases, such as CO₂ and water vapor. The presentation of her report at a major scientific convention in 1856 was accompanied by speculation that even modest increases in the concentration of CO₂ could result in significant atmospheric warming."
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:28 PM   #3
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Global Warming Facts

A timeline of Earth's average temperature.

We know about the natural Earth's warming and cooling cycles. Thus we know about sun activity affecting weather. We know there are various natural factors for warming or cooling. That's not in question. The question is, is man made activity a significant factor and if so, to what degree? Take a look at the graph in the link above and we find the rate is drastically higher compared to previous rate of change. We can conclude that human activity is a factor (as have most scientists). Then to what degree? We can estimate with sea level rising figures. What the science says...A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century.

Bill Nye to Climate Change Deniers: You Can’t Ignore Facts Forever

William Sanford "Bill" Nye[2] (born November 27, 1955), popularly known as Bill Nye the Science Guy, is an American science communicator, television presenter, and mechanical engineer. He is best known as the host of the PBS children's science show Bill Nye the Science Guy (1993–1998), and for his many subsequent appearances in popular media as a science educator. Nye began his career as a mechanical engineer for Boeing Corporation in Seattle, where he invented a hydraulic resonance suppressor tube[dubious – discuss] used on 747 airplanes. wiki

From what I gather this issue is directly related to a much bigger issue of Disclosure (more on my Science, God, Aliens thread) and also to the issue of geoengineering.

A documentary Overcast attempts to figure out if geoengineering is real.

My conclusions: global warming by man made fossil fuel burning is (one) significant factor contributing to global warming. The people behind keeping fossil fuels as the main energy source, are part of a kabal keeping alternative energy sources (based on human innovation and augmented by ET technology) suppressed. At the same, this same group counters the man made fossil fuel warming via geoengineering in order to help cool the planet, thus in the process polluting the air, water, and planet on both ends to keep their petrodollar macroeconomy in place. They are able to accomplish this working behind the military industrial/security complex in covert operations that are deemed national security, funded by trillions of embezzled dollars.

"The agendas within this group (against Disclosure), are separate and competing. One would be macroeconomical control - global domination- they want the oil system, their utility systems in place, it's all about macroeconomy for those guys. Those are more of the real political folk like Papa Bush. Then we have people, as I mentioned who are epistemological. They would love to see a final battle that would happen, that would result in the end of the world, so that their Messiah, or Christ, would return. They're religious nuts. They make the Taliban look like liberals." Then you have the sociopaths - who really love endless war. They love torture. They love destruction. They're addicted to it. And I met with some of these people, they are true psychopaths. (Dick Cheney, etc). Scary characters. They you have a group who don't know how to come clean without it being the biggest scandal.. imagine we learn that we have all these technologies to replace oil. There's an inertia that this secrecy has. They just want to retire and go fishing without the trouble." -Dr. Steven Greer

So. Groups that want secrecy/against disclosure are:
1. Business guys
2. Religious nuts
3. Sociopaths/psychopaths
4. Don't want to rock the boat/no trouble

Steven Macon Greer (June 28, 1955) is an American retired medical doctor and ufologist who founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) and The Disclosure Project, which seeks the disclosure of allegedly suppressed UFO information. Greer completed his graduate work at East Tennessee State University James H. Quillen College of Medicine in 1987.[4] He attended MAHEC University of North Carolina where he completed his internship in 1988 and received his Virginia medical license in 1989.[4] That year he became a member of the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society. wiki

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Old 05-16-2017, 01:39 AM   #4
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he people behind keeping fossil fuels as main energy source, are part of a kabal keeping alternative power sources suppressed. At the same, this same group counters the man made fossil fuel warming via geoengineering in order to help cool the planet, thus in the process polluting the air, water, and planet on both ends to keep their petrodollar macroeconomy in place. They are able to accomplish this working behind the military industrial/security complex in covert operations that are deemed national security, funded by trillions of embezzled dollars.
There is a simpler explanation, devoid of all alleged or true conspiracy correlations.

Truth is that, right now the industry is still very much dependent on fossil fuel and a drastic reduction would probably be diosastrous on economy.

Professor's Harrison proposal to open more nuclear power plants seems incredibly hazardous to me, especially so in small countries.

Another aspect: China, India, Indonesia, Brasil: they are the or some of the major polluters here and they won't substantially agree to cut back emissions.

If the USA cut drastically back now, they'll be at an economic and military disadvantage.

In the meanwhile, we sure should finance research on alternative sources. Fossil fuels are nto infinite, although they are lasting more than previously forseen

Here I believe the Trump administration is very wrong if money is derouted.
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:02 PM   #5
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I doubt people in India would be inclined to doubt global warming right now.
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Old 05-24-2017, 04:52 PM   #6
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I doubt people in India would be inclined to doubt global warming right now.
Wow, I didn't know it was affecting India that much.

HOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS HITTING INDIA

"Ghosh said that floods previously considered to be one-in-100-years events could occur ten times a year by 2020–around the time that India is set to become the world’s most populous country.

Floods already ravaged south India in November and December of 2015, killing over 500, and displacing 1.8 million more, according to charity groups including the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

The dangers go beyond floods. Record-breaking heat waves have become a regular occurrence in India, killing thousands in each of the last two summers. Drought has damaged crops, causing starvation and a rash of farmer suicides. As global temperatures continue to rise, hot-weather countries like India feel the limits of habitability being stretched.

Another concern for India is its water supply. Much of its water comes from glaciers melting in the Himalayas—a melt that has been expedited in recent years by rising temperatures. Recently scientists have voiced fears that India’s supply could suddenly surge as a result of melting before drying up, creating massive waves of displaced and starving people."

Here is a case for what's causing this. Even if you don't accept the entire message presented, it's a strong case that geoengineering (in effort to counter man made global warming, though this guy gives other reasons like population control) is actually causing more damage and only masking the issue. Thus not allowing the planet to regulate itself as it has in the past.



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Old 06-16-2017, 11:13 AM   #7
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India is suffering from the results of the actions done by the world on pollution as well as its own action or rather inaction on pollution internally by the past governments.

It is not that people are ignorant about the issue. Most of them are and are trying to avoid doing pollution in their own way like avoiding plastic and changing to environmental things.

What is more important is that the new US Prez actually withdrew from the paris climate agreement. It is the US that is the main culprit behind the pollution. Start with the bombing of the atom bomb and then testing nukes.

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India is suffering from the results of the actions done by the world on pollution as well as its own action or rather inaction on pollution internally by the past governments.

It is not that people are ignorant about the issue. Most of them are and are trying to avoid doing pollution in their own way like avoiding plastic and changing to environmental things.

What is more important is that the new US Prez actually withdrew from the paris climate agreement. It is the US that is the main culprit behind the pollution. Start with the bombing of the atom bomb and then testing nukes.

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China is the biggest polluter. It 's emissions are almost twice as much as the US. (India is third).
http://www.reuters.com/news/picture/...rs-idUSRTXRKSI
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:00 PM   #9
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Nothing against India.
There, people were used to food in clay pots.



Like yoghurt, just to throw them away... after eating.

Lately, these old and harmless ways of preserving foods have been replaced by western-type industries, utilizing plastique.

So, modern India Mother's nature is being over-polluted with plastic, and animals, such as Mother Cow are dying from this over-pollution.



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So let us all un-pollute.

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Peace in space.

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In the late 1990s when our polar ice caps were melting, the dry ice caps of mars were also melting. This suggests the heating was due to the sun's activity, not CO2 on earth.

The scientific/academic community can run like a herd and condemn those who stand alone. Still happens centuries after Galileo.

The two scientists who discovered cold fusion were basically tarred and feathered by the scientific community. Years later US Navy labs and Japanese scientists and others showed that cold fusion DOES occur. The problem is that the scientists cannot standardize it or control it. Sometimes they will leave a cold fusion apparatus on and nothing happens until suddenly two weeks later it is making energy. Still pretty mysterious.
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In the late 1990s when our polar ice caps were melting, the dry ice caps of mars were also melting. This suggests the heating was due to the sun's activity, not CO2 on earth.

The scientific/academic community can run like a herd and condemn those who stand alone. Still happens centuries after Galileo.

The two scientists who discovered cold fusion were basically tarred and feathered by the scientific community. Years later US Navy labs and Japanese scientists and others showed that cold fusion DOES occur. The problem is that the scientists cannot standardize it or control it. Sometimes they will leave a cold fusion apparatus on and nothing happens until suddenly two weeks later it is making energy. Still pretty mysterious.
While it's true that pioneering scientists and discoveries have been condemned by the general consensus, in this case the consensus position or "herd" is the newer position, while the dismissive one is the older position. It's usually reversed with those in the minority making new discoveries or connecting of the dots.

So your view is actually bashing the new guys. It's like dark ages conservative evangelicals and church clergy condemning new discoveries that did not conform to the established in the box way of thinking that helped them stay in power.

Every time I hear there's "natural causes for climate change" etc, my answer - no sh*t. The new factor is man made activities, on top of the natural causes. A friend posts links to the Weather Channel co-founder talking about sun activity. He's a businessman primarily, not a real scientist.

If someone owns a business and doesn't want to pay taxes, instead keep all the money he makes, that's one thing. But what I see is backing any claims, no matter how opposed by science, associated with one person they voted for and not the other, cognitive dissonance of sorts, "must back guy I voted for who keeps my taxes lower no matter what stupid claims he makes."

My friend says these are all "scams" because the scientists get a paycheck. It's true we don't live in socialist state and need to make a living, that's not a good excuse. There is a strong bias against Gore/Clinton/Democrats, that no matter the consensus science says, if they support it then it can't be real. The same friend refers to the weather channel's co-founder without science degrees making the claim: Weather Channel co-founder John Coleman provided evidence that convincingly refutes the concept of anthropogenic global warming."

This was found false by Snopes. Then the reply to that is that of course is fake news as well.

I stop debating about this subject for these reasons, but now and then the topic comes up. The main concern I see is the excessive rate of CO2 absorbed by the oceans, which is heating up, causing bleaching of coral reefs, and more extreme weather patterns (not the melting of ice caps primary concern). Senator Cruz cherry picked satellite data to argue against global warming stopping, but that is challenged.

Then this gets more complicated and rabbit hole conspiracy dealing with black projects embedded within the U.S. military and out of reach for study. Pentagon hasn't done an Audit of their budget in 20 years after being ordered to by Congress/the People. They now just started it. There is an aspect involved like geoengineering which allegedly masks some of the affects of man made CO2 emissions, but we are not able to confirm some of thee programs either way, unfortunately. It is estimated that around at least 9 trillion dollars are missing or unaccounted for, some of which or large portion could have gone to these black projects, including geoengineering to help cool the planet.

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American Association for the Advancement of Science
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3

American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4

American Geophysical Union
"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5

American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6

American Physical Society
"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8

The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9'
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In the late 1990s when our polar ice caps were melting, the dry ice caps of mars were also melting. This suggests the heating was due to the sun's activity, not CO2 on earth.

The scientific/academic community can run like a herd and condemn those who stand alone. Still happens centuries after Galileo.

The two scientists who discovered cold fusion were basically tarred and feathered by the scientific community. Years later US Navy labs and Japanese scientists and others showed that cold fusion DOES occur. The problem is that the scientists cannot standardize it or control it. Sometimes they will leave a cold fusion apparatus on and nothing happens until suddenly two weeks later it is making energy. Still pretty mysterious.
Yes, there does seem to be something behind the suppression of cold fusion and research into fusion technology is very slow.

All of the major scientists work for organizations who are out there calling for carbon taxes as the only solution basically.
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