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Old 10-28-2017, 11:38 PM   #121
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Is days mata conservative? Is ananda more liberal?
The love and inclusiveness shown by SRF is genuine, but however genuine it appears to be at Ananda (probably genuine in the case of members), the same cannot be said of Kriyananda, who was actually discriminatory against homosexuals. Although espousing inclusiveness he apparently did not express it in action.

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Old 10-29-2017, 02:10 AM   #122
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Ananda is close to San Francisco which seems like one of the most liberal parts of the country

San Francisco the most liberal city in the United States:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sfgat...al-6412585.php

The city has been controlled by a liberals but has some of the worst crime problems, income equality, the most expensive place to live, and homeless problems

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wes...-disaster/amp/

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Old 10-29-2017, 05:01 AM   #123
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The love and inclusiveness shown by SRF is genuine, but however genuine it appears to be at Ananda (probably genuine in the case of members), the same cannot be said of Kriyananda, who was actually discriminatory against homosexuality. Although espousing inclusiveness he apparently did not express it in action.
I think Kriyananda caved in on that towards the end
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:10 AM   #124
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Why look to intuition, gurus, or religion as a guide when govt or corporations will do ? I sometimes get The impression that if you don't subscribe to every liberal political persuasion or question it then you might be considered a threat to society. You should not be allowed to raise children or adopt.

This article compares current liberal views to be moving towards a kind of Puritanism


http://worldnewstrust.com/hate-is-th...-michael-greer


You know the assumption I have in mind, dear reader. It’s the conviction that certain common human emotions are evil and harmful and wrong, and the way to make a better world is to get rid of them in one way or another. That belief is taken for granted throughout the industrial societies of the modern West, and it’s been welded in place for a very long time, though -- as we’ll see in a moment -- the particular emotions so labeled have varied from time to time. Just now, of course, the emotion at the center of this particular rogue’s gallery is hate.

These days hate has roughly the same role in popular culture that original sin has in traditional Christian theology. If you want to slap the worst imaginable label on an organization, you call it a hate group. If you want to push a category of discourse straight into the realm of the utterly unacceptable, you call it hate speech. If you’re speaking in public and you want to be sure that everyone in the crowd will beam approval at you, all you have to do is denounce hate.
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:40 AM   #125
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Why look to intuition, gurus, or religion as a guide when govt or corporations will do ? I sometimes get The impression that if you don't subscribe to every liberal political persuasion or question it then you might be considered a threat to society. You should not be allowed to raise children or adopt.

This article compares current liberal views to be moving towards a kind of Puritanism


http://worldnewstrust.com/hate-is-th...-michael-greer


You know the assumption I have in mind, dear reader. It’s the conviction that certain common human emotions are evil and harmful and wrong, and the way to make a better world is to get rid of them in one way or another. That belief is taken for granted throughout the industrial societies of the modern West, and it’s been welded in place for a very long time, though -- as we’ll see in a moment -- the particular emotions so labeled have varied from time to time. Just now, of course, the emotion at the center of this particular rogue’s gallery is hate.

These days hate has roughly the same role in popular culture that original sin has in traditional Christian theology. If you want to slap the worst imaginable label on an organization, you call it a hate group. If you want to push a category of discourse straight into the realm of the utterly unacceptable, you call it hate speech. If you’re speaking in public and you want to be sure that everyone in the crowd will beam approval at you, all you have to do is denounce hate.
The problem with America's two party system is that it can easily be used to turn one half of the population against the other. There's hardly any dialogue between the parties these days, let alone constructive dialogue. Meanwhile the same corporate fascist machine rolls on no matter who is president. Divide-and-conquer is based on the key concept that if the mind buys into duality, it can no longer see beyond it. It's the essence of 'temptation', yet little more than a sales trick. "This is a great product. You should buy it. Do you want to sign the contract with a pen or a pencil?"

And then, from the trench war that ensues, we celebrate Gandhi because he didn't buy the product.

As Gandhi showed, all we have to do to solve the division in the US today is for each individual to step back from the division. It starts with the individual; not with the government. Fortunately, yogis, who in meditation are reminded of a much bigger picture, will find this very easy...
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:44 AM   #126
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You cant have dialogue with the left. The whole agenda is about labelling those who dont agree with them as evil bigots. This was done by design by cultural Marxists. Indoctrinating generations of Americans through academia and their own gullibility ('useful idiocy') such that now its the status quo through education, media, government. Political correctness is the secular 'religion'; that is the face of fascism today. It will continue to grow more oppressive too, with freedom of speech becoming a mere memory as the left creates laws to silence opposition, and to police even the thoughts in our minds. Its already happening on so many levels.
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Old 10-29-2017, 07:02 AM   #127
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Bit too cryptic for me there..
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Old 10-29-2017, 08:41 AM   #129
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I think Kriyananda caved in on that towards the end
More likely a case of Ananda followers having more integrity than Kriyananda himself.
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Old 10-29-2017, 10:03 AM   #130
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More likely a case of Ananda followers having more integrity than Kriyananda himself.
Most probably yes.
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Old 10-29-2017, 10:12 AM   #131
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The problem with America's two party system is There's hardly any dialogue between the parties these days, let alone constructive dialogue. Meanwhile the same corporate fascist machine rolls on no matter who is president.
I'm afraid that it's even worse than that.
Here we had that division. With the coming of Macron and the "big center party", now we have 3 poles :
- 1 very left, Marxist and anti-capitalist, in favor of an omnipresent state.
- 1 center : politically correct, pro big international corporations, finance, GMO, and "leftist ideals". Very much like Hillary Clinton in the states.
- 1 very right, clearly conservative, nationalist, sometimes on the edge of racism etc.
It's like the spectrum in politics being more radicalized and polarized than ever with the coming of a central force.
I often feel that a karmic storm is going to happen.

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Old 10-29-2017, 12:08 PM   #132
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I'm afraid that it's even worse than that.
Here we had that division. With the coming of Macron and the "big center party", now we have 3 poles :
- 1 very left, Marxist and anti-capitalist, in favor of an omnipresent state.
- 1 center : polically correct, international finance, and "leftist ideals". Very much like Hillary Clinton in the states.
- 1 very right, clearly conservative, nationalist, sometimes on the edge of racism etc.
It's like the spectrum in politics being more radicalized and polarized than ever with the coming of a central force.
I often feel that a karmic storm is going to happen.
Divide-and-conquer is based on three as well. Play out one versus the other, and stay in control. In the US the controlling party is behind the scenes, but has gotten plenty of recent attention as the 'shadow government'.
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:37 PM   #133
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I'm afraid that it's even worse than that.
Here we had that division. With the coming of Macron and the "big center party", now we have 3 poles :
- 1 very left, Marxist and anti-capitalist, in favor of an omnipresent state.
- 1 center : politically correct, pro big international corporations, finance, GMO, and "leftist ideals". Very much like Hillary Clinton in the states.
- 1 very right, clearly conservative, nationalist, sometimes on the edge of racism etc.
It's like the spectrum in politics being more radicalized and polarized than ever with the coming of a central force.
I often feel that a karmic storm is going to happen.
In about 3-4 years all this will be not so clear anymore....many suprises will come....the present is already the past.
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Old 10-29-2017, 11:10 PM   #134
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In the 60's we had a cultural revolution here in the West (USA) where closed minds started to open. What a thrill that was to see some of the old, rigid institutions, cloaked in dark mentality, challenged by new "free thinking" ideas. We touted being "open minded" as a virtue.

Unfortunately, somewhere along the way we lost our discrimination and common sense. Free thinking and free love became NEW excuses for indiscriminate sense gratification and self indulgence. The self absorbed psyche that cares little for the external world around it is fertile soil for external manipulation through corporate and governmental mind control.

As the wise caution, the mind is like a sponge and becomes what it absorbs. A closed mind absorbs nothing (remains ignorant) while an open mind, without discrimination, absorbs everything, including the filth of the worst kinds of human behavior. Today's growing addiction to excessive and perverted sense gratification by so many is a sad state of mankind. I think it is a result of man's alienation with his true nature as a divine child of God and current "open minded" cultural trends have magnified that alienation.

Fortunately, some of us have been blessed to find and follow a spiritual path that teaches discrimination and self control. And that the ultimate goal of life is not overindulgence in sense gratification, but a short term renunciation of desire for the eternal bliss of God Realization. We are cautioned not to subcom to any current trends and fads that will pull our consciousnesses further away from our true nature. God's laws are eternal no matter what Hollywood, the US Supreme Court, the Pope or any other popular public figurehead espouses.

All sense experience draws the consciousness away from God. If left uncontrolled it can overwhelm one's spiritual life. The monk chooses a life of strict renunciation. The worldly devotee treads a more treacherous path - trying to maintain a balance between the inner and outer - like walking the proverbial razor's edge. For those of us with feet in both worlds we are advised to practice moderation.

IMO, therefore, neither hetero or homo sexual behavior in moderation is fatally destructive to the self unless it is excessive, addictive, perverted or it abuses another for selfish benefit by risking their health, safety, freedom or happiness. However, my understanding of Master's teaching is that 'marriage' is a special , God ordained, union between a man and woman for the purpose of bringing souls into this world and raising them in a stable environment so that they can develop into complete human beings. I have no problem when other's form other legalized relationships that give them equal (but not greater) rights and protections under the law of the land. They can be called Civil Unions or whatever, but do not call them 'Marriage'. They are not marriages!

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